Reevaluating Sporting News 100 Best Baseball Players of All-Time List in the Post-Steroids Era
In 1998, "The Sporting News" released a list of what it considered the 100 greatest baseball players in the game's history. It's a pretty good list, although there are a few fairly controversial placements in my opinion. That's to be expected on any list such as this I suppose. But most striking to me is how contemporary players on the list have seen their statuses rise or fall rather significantly in light of the steroids scandal in its infancy when this list was being compiled.
1 Babe Ruth
2 Willie Mays
3 Ty Cobb
4 Walter Johnson
5 Hank Aaron
6 Lou Gehrig
7 Christy Mathewson
8 Ted Williams
9 Rogers Hornsby
10 Stan Musial
11 Joe DiMaggio
12 Grover Alexander
13 Honus Wagner
14 Cy Young
15 Jimmie Foxx
16 Johnny Bench
17 Mickey Mantle
18 Josh Gibson
19 Satchel Paige
20 Roberto Clemente
21 Warren Spahn
22 Frank Robinson
23 Lefty Grove
24 Eddie Collins
25 Pete Rose
26 Sandy Koufax
27 Tris Speaker
28 Mike Schmidt
29 Nap Lajoie
30 Steve Carlton
31 Bob Gibson
32 Tom Seaver
33 George Sisler
34 Barry Bonds
35 Joe Jackson
36 Bob Feller
37 Hank Greenberg
38 Ernie Banks
39 Greg Maddux
40 Yogi Berra
41 Nolan Ryan
42 Mel Ott
43 Al Simmons
44 Jackie Robinson
45 Carl Hubbell
46 Charlie Gehringer
47 Buck Leonard
48 Reggie Jackson
49 Tony Gwynn
50 Roy Campanella
51 Rickey Henderson
52 Whitey Ford
53 Roger Clemens
54 Harry Heilmann
55 George Brett
56 Willie McCovey
57 Bill Dickey
58 Lou Brock
59 Bill Terry
60 Joe Morgan
61 Rod Carew
62 Paul Waner
63 Eddie Mathews
64 Jim Palmer
65 Mickey Cochrane
66 Cool Papa Bell
67 Oscar Charleston
68 Eddie Plank
69 Harmon Killebrew
70 Pie Traynor
71 Juan Marichal
72 Carl Yastrzemski
73 Lefty Gomez
74 Robin Roberts
75 Willie Keeler
76 Al Kaline
77 Eddie Murray
78 Cal Ripken, Jr.
79 Joe Medwick
80 Brooks Robinson
81 Willie Stargell
82 Ed Walsh
83 Duke Snider
84 Sam Crawford
85 Dizzy Dean
86 Kirby Puckett
87 Ozzie Smith
88 Frankie Frisch
89 Goose Goslin
90 Ralph Kiner
91 Mark McGwire
92 Chuck Klein
93 Ken Griffey, Jr.
94 Dave Winfield
95 Wade Boggs
96 Rollie Fingers
97 Gaylord Perry
98 Dennis Eckersley
99 Paul Molitor
100 Early Wynn
General observations....
The top-10 is solid. One may argue that the placement of a few of those players should be reversed one or two positions, but in general there are no glaring omissions or overhyped players in the ranks.
There are a good 15 players on the list I've never heard of (Bill Terry, Oscar Charleston)....and another 15-20 whose career statistics I'm not intimiately familiar with enough to stand in judgment of their placement (Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane, Eddie Plank)....and several members of the Negro League who were victims of questionable recordkeeping. If some of the urban legends surrounding Satchel Paige's early years are accurate, he should be in the top-five rather than #19.
Random placement observations or players from the past 30 years....
Johnny Bench at #16? Ahead of Mickey Mantle and Pete Rose? Seems pretty generous. Even if we're taking to account his numbers solely as a catcher, Carlton Fisk's lifetime numbers were comparable to Bench's, and he's not even in the top-100.
Only #41 for Nolan Ryan? I realize he wasn't the most consistent pitcher the game has ever seen, but he pitched for 27 seasons, had seven no-hitters, and struck out nearly 1,000 more hitters than the next runner-up in the game's history. He should be ahead of Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton (who by the way is second-place in lifetime strikeouts).
Eddie Murray, one of a handful in the 500 homeruns and 3,000 hits club, seems as though he should be ahead of Rod Carew and George Brett.
Dennis Eckersley, whose unique resume of 197 career wins as a starter and 390 career saves as a closer, is unprecedented in the game's history and should rate higher than #98.
But most striking is the placement of players still active when this list came out. Cal Ripken, Jr. was only #78 on this list. That seems way too low today. Greg Maddux at #39 probably seemed generous at the time, but 10 years later looking back at the fact that this guy won 355 games yet never more than 20 in a single season, it may actually be several positions too stingy.
And of course the real sad story is how the steroids scandal has tainted so many on this list. A revision of this list today (and most likely 20 years from now) is not likely to see Barry Bonds anywhere near #34. Roger Clemens wouldn't have likely gotten to 300 let alone 350 wins if not for his "enhancement", rendering his #53 ranking too generous in retrospect. Mark McGwire at #91 is equally tainted as his career seemed drifting towards mediocrity before the late 90s when he started looking like Popeye.
The inverse of that is that #93 Ken Griffey, Jr., is looking pretty damn good these days, on pace for 650 career homeruns despite incessant injuries that would have likely been avoided had he took the easy way out and juiced up. Similarly, it seems the sky is the limit for Jim Thome as well, still blasting balls out of the park at an impressive clip and potentially joining the 600-homer club before career end, to my knowledge without any steroid taint.
Pitchingwise, it's pretty clear to me Randy Johnson should be on the periphery of this list. There's a guy who could have had truly epic numbers if he had settled his control issues before he turned 30!
Any additional thoughts are welcome....
1 Babe Ruth
2 Willie Mays
3 Ty Cobb
4 Walter Johnson
5 Hank Aaron
6 Lou Gehrig
7 Christy Mathewson
8 Ted Williams
9 Rogers Hornsby
10 Stan Musial
11 Joe DiMaggio
12 Grover Alexander
13 Honus Wagner
14 Cy Young
15 Jimmie Foxx
16 Johnny Bench
17 Mickey Mantle
18 Josh Gibson
19 Satchel Paige
20 Roberto Clemente
21 Warren Spahn
22 Frank Robinson
23 Lefty Grove
24 Eddie Collins
25 Pete Rose
26 Sandy Koufax
27 Tris Speaker
28 Mike Schmidt
29 Nap Lajoie
30 Steve Carlton
31 Bob Gibson
32 Tom Seaver
33 George Sisler
34 Barry Bonds
35 Joe Jackson
36 Bob Feller
37 Hank Greenberg
38 Ernie Banks
39 Greg Maddux
40 Yogi Berra
41 Nolan Ryan
42 Mel Ott
43 Al Simmons
44 Jackie Robinson
45 Carl Hubbell
46 Charlie Gehringer
47 Buck Leonard
48 Reggie Jackson
49 Tony Gwynn
50 Roy Campanella
51 Rickey Henderson
52 Whitey Ford
53 Roger Clemens
54 Harry Heilmann
55 George Brett
56 Willie McCovey
57 Bill Dickey
58 Lou Brock
59 Bill Terry
60 Joe Morgan
61 Rod Carew
62 Paul Waner
63 Eddie Mathews
64 Jim Palmer
65 Mickey Cochrane
66 Cool Papa Bell
67 Oscar Charleston
68 Eddie Plank
69 Harmon Killebrew
70 Pie Traynor
71 Juan Marichal
72 Carl Yastrzemski
73 Lefty Gomez
74 Robin Roberts
75 Willie Keeler
76 Al Kaline
77 Eddie Murray
78 Cal Ripken, Jr.
79 Joe Medwick
80 Brooks Robinson
81 Willie Stargell
82 Ed Walsh
83 Duke Snider
84 Sam Crawford
85 Dizzy Dean
86 Kirby Puckett
87 Ozzie Smith
88 Frankie Frisch
89 Goose Goslin
90 Ralph Kiner
91 Mark McGwire
92 Chuck Klein
93 Ken Griffey, Jr.
94 Dave Winfield
95 Wade Boggs
96 Rollie Fingers
97 Gaylord Perry
98 Dennis Eckersley
99 Paul Molitor
100 Early Wynn
General observations....
The top-10 is solid. One may argue that the placement of a few of those players should be reversed one or two positions, but in general there are no glaring omissions or overhyped players in the ranks.
There are a good 15 players on the list I've never heard of (Bill Terry, Oscar Charleston)....and another 15-20 whose career statistics I'm not intimiately familiar with enough to stand in judgment of their placement (Al Simmons, Mickey Cochrane, Eddie Plank)....and several members of the Negro League who were victims of questionable recordkeeping. If some of the urban legends surrounding Satchel Paige's early years are accurate, he should be in the top-five rather than #19.
Random placement observations or players from the past 30 years....
Johnny Bench at #16? Ahead of Mickey Mantle and Pete Rose? Seems pretty generous. Even if we're taking to account his numbers solely as a catcher, Carlton Fisk's lifetime numbers were comparable to Bench's, and he's not even in the top-100.
Only #41 for Nolan Ryan? I realize he wasn't the most consistent pitcher the game has ever seen, but he pitched for 27 seasons, had seven no-hitters, and struck out nearly 1,000 more hitters than the next runner-up in the game's history. He should be ahead of Mike Schmidt and Steve Carlton (who by the way is second-place in lifetime strikeouts).
Eddie Murray, one of a handful in the 500 homeruns and 3,000 hits club, seems as though he should be ahead of Rod Carew and George Brett.
Dennis Eckersley, whose unique resume of 197 career wins as a starter and 390 career saves as a closer, is unprecedented in the game's history and should rate higher than #98.
But most striking is the placement of players still active when this list came out. Cal Ripken, Jr. was only #78 on this list. That seems way too low today. Greg Maddux at #39 probably seemed generous at the time, but 10 years later looking back at the fact that this guy won 355 games yet never more than 20 in a single season, it may actually be several positions too stingy.
And of course the real sad story is how the steroids scandal has tainted so many on this list. A revision of this list today (and most likely 20 years from now) is not likely to see Barry Bonds anywhere near #34. Roger Clemens wouldn't have likely gotten to 300 let alone 350 wins if not for his "enhancement", rendering his #53 ranking too generous in retrospect. Mark McGwire at #91 is equally tainted as his career seemed drifting towards mediocrity before the late 90s when he started looking like Popeye.
The inverse of that is that #93 Ken Griffey, Jr., is looking pretty damn good these days, on pace for 650 career homeruns despite incessant injuries that would have likely been avoided had he took the easy way out and juiced up. Similarly, it seems the sky is the limit for Jim Thome as well, still blasting balls out of the park at an impressive clip and potentially joining the 600-homer club before career end, to my knowledge without any steroid taint.
Pitchingwise, it's pretty clear to me Randy Johnson should be on the periphery of this list. There's a guy who could have had truly epic numbers if he had settled his control issues before he turned 30!
Any additional thoughts are welcome....
4 Comments:
Excluding known cheaters, Thome rises to #5 on the all-time HR leader list. On a related note, I'm completely sympathetic to the idea of releasing all the names from the 2003 tests; clear the air for those who did not test positive.
wheres frank thomas?
To compare Fisk to Bench is a stretch by any means. Fisk had no arm for a catcher and his defense was nowhere near Bench's. Bench is considered the greatest catcher for good reason. No catcher had the combination of power, defense, arm strength, and game calling ability that Bench displayed. BTW it only took Fisk approximately 5000 more at bats to break Bench's record for most home runs by a catcher.
Google: Roberto Clemente br bullpen
You'll find the greatest cover up in all of sports... only Mays is comparable to the best hitter vs. hall of fame pitching/most entertaining defensive outfielder ever.Home runs are simply a marketing tool to capture the 'white dollar'(build small parks)some say Clemente's line drives would still be rolling 40 yrs. after his death if they never put up outfield walls
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